The following interview with political prisoner Edgar
J. Steele was carried out under very primitive conditions at the Victorville
fortress prison in California,
where Steele has been sent to die. After some thought, I think it is probably
best that the identity of the fellow inmate who interviewed Steele not be
disclosed in order to provide at least some cover against retaliation by both
men’s captors. – HAC
Q. What were you accused and
Steele: Murder for hire. My
wife, they claim, was to be the victim.
Q. How much time did you get?
Steele: 50 years.
Q. How many years now have
you been locked up?
Steele: Four years.
Q. Have you had any trouble
Steele: Not sure what you
mean entirely by troubles, but I’ve had many. I’ve not yet been raped, badly
beaten, or killed, though.
Q. Is there anyone, a group
or gang, who’s looking out for you?
Steele: Well, Skinheads and
members of ARM, which is the Aryan Resistance Movement. Great guys there.
Q. What are you doing to
occupy your time?
Steele: Reading, sleeping, and hating.
Q. Are you having issues with
Steele: Yes. The majority of
it simply goes missing. I only receive a small percentage of the letters that
are apparently sent to me. The rest just disappears.
Q. Are you and your wife
Steele: Absolutely! She is my
Q. So your wife doesn’t
believe the government’s story. Can your wife visit you?
Steele: Of course she doesn’t
believe them. No. They won’t allow it.
[There are then a few questions regarding the judge
and prosecutor in Steele’s case, which are redacted due to the Bill White
This is a bizarre legal ruling which was apparently instituted in order to shield federal judges, United States Attorneys, FBI agents, and others
among the dictator’s servants in the judiciary from any public criticism of
their rulings or job performance, and make sure that all us pale peasants
remain humble and respectful in their exalted presence.
A Jewish judge ruled that Bill White had “an
inherently criminal and violent audience”—rather like you guys reading this—and
that any time he named someone on the internet, that automatically constituted
a threat. This created a special category or underclass of American citizen—all
of us mysteriously of the same pigmentation—who are effectively no longer covered by
the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, and who may now be arrested,
tortured, prosecuted, and imprisoned as Bill White has suffered, for the heinous offense of offering any criticism, by name, of ostensibly public officials.
The Bill White Precedent has also removed the previous
“reasonable man” standard for what constitutes a threat, replacing it with any
speech which causes someone to “feel apprehension or in fear of their lives.”
In other words, for Whiteboys like Bill White and Edgar Steele and thee and me,
a legal threat is now completely subjective, rather than held to any
objective standard or burden of proof by the prosecution. "Dat wicked man done scairt me, he tawk so mean," is now enough to send someone like Bill White to prison for many years – HAC]
Q. Who is Larry Fairfax and
how did you meet him?
[So far, the Bill White Precedent seems intended only
to protect judges, U.S.
Attorneys, and federal law enforcement from uncomfortable or unwelcome
criticism or public discussion of their behavior, although the horrendous Roger
Shuler case in Alabama
seems to have extended that special protection from the First Amendment to
politicians as well. Larry Fairfax is a mere informer and a Whiteboy himself,
so I am going to take a chance that he is not immunized against the First
Amendment. – HAC]
Steele: My accuser. Formerly
our handyman for over ten years. Called him from his display ad in the local
Q. Fairfax planted a real
bomb on your wife’s car, yet was wearing a wire. Informants are allowed to
manufacture and plant real bombs?
Steele: Apparently. How else
could they paste a bomb on me, after all?
Q. At trial you weren’t
allowed to call two internationally accepted audio experts as defense
witnesses. If you had been allowed to call them, what would have been revealed
and would your trial have gone differently?
Steele: Both experts would
have testified to over 350 anomalies in the two recordings, pointing to edits,
splices, deletions, etc. One expert would have testified that it wasn’t even my
voice, but another person’s morphed to sound like mine. Different verdict? Of
Q. Do you still have appeals
or a re-trial coming up?
Steele: I was screwed by my
appellate lawyer even worse than by my trial lawyer. I have only one appeal
Q. You represented Aryan
Nations Pastor Richard Butler in a civil trial against the Southern Poverty Law
Center. Going up against Morris Dees, what did you think about him and what
kind of person is he?
is a scumbag, a cheat and a liar. The single most unethical lawyer against whom
I ever tried a case.
Q. You were also friends with
Dr. William Pierce, whose organization, the National Alliance, was at one time
the biggest White Nationalist organization in the U.S. What do you think about the NA
now, seeing what it’s become, and does it upset you?
Steele: It is a tragedy of
the first order. Yes, very much so, especially since I invested so much effort
in trying to persuade Erich Gliebe and others on how to save it, especially
Q. The AN and the NA are now
pretty much non-entities. The Movement has a problem with organizations being
here today and gone tomorrow. What must be done for a White Nationalist
organization to stick around and be successful?
Steele: Be well enough
organized to survive the loss of charismatic founders. It is the job of the
founder to ensure this. It is a founder’s ego that prevents it. Also, we must
re-think what we believe and why.
Q. In your mind, which racial
philosophers should our Movement lean toward and why?
Steele: Racial? That is
unimportant. It will sort itself out just as it always has. I like the
group-entity thinking of so many, like Yockey…Christ, Buddha, and Lao Tzu spoke
truthfully to us in past ages, but while there are lots of voices today with
pieces of the answer, there is not one single major voice speaking out.
Q. You wrote Defensive Racism covering racial and
genetic differences, IQ, the New World Order conspiracy, a coming economic
collapse, and gave a vision of a New America with other parts of the U.S. being cut
up into ethnostates for others. Your book is clearly a call for White
separatism, and you don’t advocate a violent revolution. Do you think there’s a
chance to change America
by legal means, still?
Steele: Only if we await
other nations to impose it on America,
which they will do in the fullness of time, if necessary, or if we await the
coming of collapse. There is no chance of changing America otherwise, certainly not
Q. Have you changed your
views now toward a violent revolution?
Steele: Of course not. It is
against the law to advocate violent revolution, after all.
Q. Do you advocate for our
Homeland being created in the Pacific Northwest?
Steele: Only partially. When
the time comes, we will need a lot more living space, the bulk of what we today
Q. Northwest Front’s White Book views you as a hero and a
martyr who was set up by ZOG. Do you back Northwest Front’s program?
Steele: I greatly appreciate
their support especially. Covington
is doing great things.
Q. I can’t help but notice in
Chapter Seven of your book, you discuss the symbol of the middle-aged man
throwing away his family to chase younger women. I must point out that at trial
you were accused of chasing younger Ukrainian women and that was the
dictatorship’s alleged motive for your so-called crime. What was the real story
about the Ukrainian women and what were you working on?
Steele: That was actually
about the fifth “motive” the dictatorship came up with, and it would have been
laughed out of court if the judge, the United States Attorney, and my own
lawyer had not teamed up to railroad me into prison out of political
motivations of their own. Look—I was 65 at the time, and I was accused of
pursuing a girl young enough to be my great-granddaughter!
Yeah, right. Hell, with my heart in the shape it's in, the sex alone would have killed me the first night! My wife
and I both were working on the
research for a book I was writing on human trafficking and cyber-prostitution
in Eastern Europe. Cyndi knew all about the
girls I was stringing along and read a good deal of my correspondence with
Q. Do you have other books
Steele: I have a couple in
very rough draft form. I have several others partially written, or at least in
detailed outline. Several other concepts, too. I need a typing machine at
least, and extensive secretarial help, so I can’t while I am in here.
Q. How can people get hold of
Q. You’re still listed on the
board of contributing editors in the Barnes
Review. Do you get the Barnes Review or American Free Press, and are you in
contact with Willis Carto?
Steele: I am in contact with
practically nobody in the Movement outside of guys like yourself, and you are
phenomenally informed. I have tried and tried, but I have not been allowed to
receive American Free Press or the Barnes Review, which people have told me
they subscribed me to. Maybe someone can help me out to get it?
Q. What do you think about
Steele: I think Putin would
make a great American President.
Q. Hillary Clinton has called
Putin “the new Hitler” and the media vilifies this great populist. What do you
think about Putin’s new anti-homosexual law and Russian Nationalism?
Steele: I am against
national/social do/don’t laws, but I love nationalism of all flavors. States,
provinces, etc.—that is the place for social engineering if it really must be
done. That way, every citizen has a place in a nation where he or she can be
comfortable. For example, “same-sex” marriage should go where it deserves to
be: at the state level and exclusively decided by Church authorities. If a
church says I can marry my cat, I should get an exemption for him on my tax
return, no questions asked.
Q. Russia has now reclaimed
the Crimea. What do you think Putin should do
next with the Ukraine?
Steele: I think Putin should
shut up, sit down, pull all Russian troops out of the Ukraine and transfer Russia’s
major seaports to its own Black Sea coast, just east of Crimea, then evacuate Crimea as well. Self-determination always should be a
state’s right. Russia has had about 100,000 troops, especially naval, in the
Crimea since before Khruschev realigned geography along more sensible lines by
making Crimea a semi-autonomous province of Ukraine—Russia’s province of
Ukraine, by the way. The Ukrainians picked that fight when they parked a tank
outside the entrance to Russia’s
main base in Crimea. Putin, all along, has
done just what he has said about protecting ethnic Russians in Crimea. However, now he is being an unjustifiable
opportunist by annexing Crimea, just as I now expect he will do east and south
of the river Dnieper, thereby bisecting Ukraine. NATO should prevent that
or else dissolve itself. I oppose imperialism of all flavors, especially
Q. Would you say that Russia is
becoming a White Homeland?
Steele: Yes. Russia is the
future of White Nationalism. Edgar Cayce foresaw this nearly 100 years ago. I
wish I lived in Russia.
Ten years ago I actually had my wife talked into moving there, or Belarus or Ukraine. I deeply regret not having
done so. It’s ironic that America
is now the land of GULAG and Russia is the land of freedom.
Solzhenitsyn must be laughing in his grave.
Q. Have you read Bill White’s
books, Centuries of Revolution and his
new one, Tradition of the Mother?
Steele: No, I don’t get out
much these days, but would love to receive a copy of the book.
Q. Bill White has been
accused of committing many different illegal acts, yet has beaten charges, been
released, re-indicted, sentenced, and then charged for other offenses mainly on
First Amendment issues. Like Matt Hale, Bill White, Chester Doles, Shaun
Walker, myself, and others, someone doesn’t want us out on the streets. Who do
you think is behind your false imprisonment and why?
Steele: You get one guess
there. Hint: rhymes with “news.” It’s because I am politically incorrect with a
loud voice that was beginning to be heard.
Q. Is there anything you
would like to tell Bill White?
Steele: Get out of America at the
very first opportunity.
Q. Years ago you spoke out
against White Nationalist leaders who wanted the Movement to accept Frazier
Glenn Miller back into the fold. Glenn had been in Witness Protection for many
years because he testified against Order members at the Fort Smith Sedition
trial as well as against Pastor Richard Butler, Pastor Robert Miles, Louis
Beam, and also against Douglas Sheets at the Shelby, N.C.
homo bookstore murder trial in 1989. He wrote A White Man Speaks Out and gave excuses to justify his testimony
and deal. On April 13, Glenn made the news for killing three
people at a Jewish Community Center, yet the victims weren’t Jewish. What was
your first impression when you heard that a 73-year-old Glenn Miller went on
this rampage and why do you think he did it?
Steele: Yes, I did. Then he
began to openly praise and support my efforts, causing me to sit down and
re-think the whole concept of vengeance. Even so, I admire the Order members,
Richard Butler, Louis Beam, William Pierce, and so many others that he has
maligned in the past. I don’t like him for that, but he has never attacked me,
which probably should make no difference, but it does.
Harold Covington and I had
some pretty spirited differences until I was arrested, [Ed once
threatened to “crush me like a bug,” internet-wise. – HAC] but he has had my back ever since that day, thereby demonstrating
what White solidarity should be. I am
proud to call Harold a friend and we, including me, should take a lesson from
that. After all, I know Christ would accept Glenn without even thinking—how can
I possibly deem myself better suited to refuse to forgive others?
Why did Glenn do it? Just
speculating, but I guess he saw himself at the end of the line, but wanting to
do something else. It is the height of irony that the only people he killed at
those two Jewish centers were all Christian. We could all take a lesson from
Miller’s final act, too.
Q. Could Miller have been a
Steele: Maybe. Probably not.
Just seems like this is just another pathetic Von Brunn-like empty, useless,
Q. Why did certain Movement
leaders want to allow Glenn Miller back into the fold?
Steele: I don’t know, and
Q. You were the first to
renounce Miller and expose those leaders to what they were trying to do on your
web site. Did you receive any backlash for your stand or was it more positive?
Steele: Your memory is better
than mine. I honestly have very little recollection of this or many other
things that occurred that long ago. I have drawn backlash for so many things
down through the years. You become inured after just so many arrows fired into
your back by the Movement faithful.
Q. Did you have any dealings
with these leaders afterwards?
Steele: Of course. Always,
there is this sense of such people keeping you at arm’s length, but no open
hostilities in person. The whispering, though---the whispering in the
background can be maddening. Within the Movement there is so much jealousy.
Q. Glenn Miller is now facing
state murder charges, but Obama even came out on TV saying he will face
hatecrime charges, which are federal offenses. Since you are doing time in a
federal penitentiary in Victorville,
CA and know all the rules and
politics inside, what do you think would happen to Glenn if he arrived in a USP
now being known as a paid government informer who was once im Witsec?
Steele: He cannot be placed
in general population anywhere, state
or federal especially, without expecting to be beaten again and again. He must
request solitary confinement at all times, i.e. protective custody, or else he
will not survive for very long.
Q. Recently a man died in
your unit of medication issues and it was locked down. Corrections officers on
the compound spread the rumor that it was you who died. Why do you think that
Steele: Every time anybody
dies here at Victimville, the rumor is that the person was me, the price of
notoriety such as I possess.
Q. You worked as Prussian
Blue’s legal manager and worked closely with their mother, April Gaede. What do
you think about her work of helping White Nationalists move to Kalispell, Montana,
to network like a Pioneer Little Europe?
Steele: I think the world of
both April and all the members of her family. For years I have been trying to
engineer the marriage of my son to Lamb or Lynx, or better yet, both of them.
It would be a shame to break up the set. I truly love them all in a fatherly
way, of course. As for a “Little Europe”, such will not really occur until the
government starts shooting us in the streets, which is what really started all
the problems in the Ukraine
and nearly occurred in Nevada
on the Bundy ranch. I can hardly wait.
Q. Is there anything you’d
like to tell people?
Steele: Get out of America. Get
out of the stock market. Get out NOW! What
needs to be done will be done—the
times make the man, not the other way around. Our leaders are among us
now—unknown, unsung, and impossibly young (aged 20-35). They will become
visible to us in the fullness of time. All current Movement “leaders”,
including me, will be remembered only for the verbal confetti we sprinkled on
the faithful. First and foremost, we are just entertainment, the opening act to
a very long and grand production. What we all have to say is really of no
moment. Just wait until the curtain goes up in America and you will know exactly
what I mean. You need to survive and provide too, just as always. Jews? Ignore
them. Make jokes about them, if anything. They hate that. It makes them crazy.
Q. How can people support
Steele: Go to
FreeEdgarSteele.com for legal contributions. We have received a little more
than $100,000 so far, perhaps $20,000 of it from Movement people and the rest
from friends, family, and my own list members. (Thank you so much!) We have thrown about $450,000 total into the bottomless
legal pit, with the difference coming from the retirement fund Cyndi and I had
built up. It will take about another $250,000 to navigate upcoming legal
“events” including a new trial, which we can and will win.
* * *
Technically speaking, Ed can
receive mail at
Edgar J. Steele #14226-023
P. O. Box 3900
Adelanto, CA 92301
However, as he states in the
interview, the bulk of his mail is simply disappearing. This has been the situation
ever since his arrest; Ed’s communication with the outside world has always
been highly restricted, including a period of almost three months after his arrest
when he disappeared completely, was held incommunicado, and no penal institution
would admit holding him, including the one where he was being held.
What might help Edgar, for those who are not afraid to bring themselves to
the attention of The Beast, is to write to him via certified mail or something that
requires a return receipt, so that you will have some record of the letter arriving
at the prison, and then demanding the post office do traces, filing official complaints
with the prison administration and mail room, etc. when you do not receive a reply
or any record that Ed got your letter. You might also try writing your
Congressman, writing the Bureau of Prisons, etc. In other words, make their practice
of withholding Edgar’s mail generate a
bureaucrats are like any other of the dictator’s servants: they hate to be made
to work. It is possible that if we can create a situation whereby continuing to
withhold Edgar’s mail generates more paperwork and annoyance than justifies whatever
spiteful pleasure someone is getting in tormenting a sick old man, they may
just say “Screw it!” and just give him his mail. - HAC