Interview With 12 Heures
[Interview with the French Canadian magazine 12 Heures. About a year old, found it rooting through the files. - HAC]
1. Mr. Covington, before starting, could you just introduce yourself to our readers?
I was born in Burlington, North Carolina in 1953. I had my first dose of racial reality at age 15 when I was thrown into an integrated high school. I won’t go off into a long digression about the various horrible racial experiences I had there, but on the day I finally left, I looked back and made a silent personal vow that I would devote my life somehow to making sure that no young White person ever again had to go through what I had to go through in that place.
I went into the United States Army at age 17. My experiences in the military provided a further dose of racial reality, although once again I understand they were nothing compared to what young White enlistees go through nowadays. At Fort Jackson, South Carolina, I picked up a paperback book in the day room called The Order of the Death’s Head, by a German named Heinze Höhne. Rare among studies of the Third Reich, the book was actually reasonably objective, and it had the effect of converting me to National Socialism. I remain a National Socialist in my personal outlook to this day.
While I was stationed at Schofield Barracks, Hawaii I joined the National Socialist White People’s Party (NSWPP), which was founded by George Lincoln Rockwell. I formed a unit of a Party front group called the White Servicemen’s League and ended up getting discharged early, under honorable conditions. After I got out of the army I served on permanent NSWPP staff at the headquarters in El Monte, California under the now-legendary Lt. Joseph Tommasi, who was murdered in 1975. I then became editor of the Party newspaper White Power in Arlington, Virginia. In 1974 I worked for a construction company in Johannesburg, South Africa for about six months, and then went to Rhodesia and joined the Rhodesian Army. In 1976 I was deported from Rhodesia for my activities with the proto-NS Rhodesia White People’s Party, along with two of my fellow Americans, Eric Thomson and Jeffrey Spencer.
From then on it was the usual long Movement history of different groups, different approaches, all of them pretty much dead ends because there basically isn’t anything that can be done on an all-America basis in order to reverse the terminal decline of Western civilization on this continent. In the year 2000, in the aftermath of what Morris Dees did to Pastor Butler, I finally came out openly for territorial White separatism in the form of the Northwest Imperative.
2. The Northwest project seems very close to the one condoned by the Aryan Nations. In what is it different?
The Aryan Nations toyed around with the idea of a Northwest Republic as a Homeland for all Whites, but always stopped short of formally adopting the program. Their version of migration was basically “everybody move to Hayden Lake and hang out with Pastor Butler at the clubhouse.” But it never reached the point of a codified political ideology.
You might say that the Northwest Front is the next step up for us. We have now formalized Northwest White separatism into a movement, complete with a new flag and a new Constitution.
3. What land would you claim? Is there a part in Canada?
I would like to see Alberta and British Columbia eventually become part of the Republic, but we'll have to see how that plays out. I know there is a strong separatist tendency in Western Canada with at least a few racial tinges, although it’s not possible to operate on an open racial basis in the Great White North.
Racial organizing of any kind is very difficult in Canada due to the harsh nature of your censorship laws, where basically any protest against the Ottawa regime’s racial policies will land a White man or woman in prison or in front of one of your grotesque Human Rights Tribunals. We have had several people who have tried to make a go of Northwest Front Canada, including the late Jeff Hughes, who was murdered by the RCMP in October 2009 in Nanaimo, and a young married couple we had in Vancouver who are basically now on maternity leave. I can’t in conscience expose a young couple with a newborn child to the kind of vicious persecution that falls on an open White Nationalist in Canada, so for the present we’re kind of in abeyance up there in the Great White North, until we get some people who are not only willing but able to step forward and function politically, meaning they have to be as financially and legally bulletproof as it’s possible to be in Canada.
4. How is this project feasible?
It’s feasible because it has in fact already been done many times over the last century.
The essence of the Northwest Idea is to reduce the problem of racial survival to manageable proportions, something we can actually accomplish with the limited number of people and resources at out command. White Nationalists are simply too weak, disorganized, and too few to take over the entire United States, and we need to accept that just ain’t gonna happen. 50 years ago it might have been possible; it no longer is, and we have to come to grips with the reality that the old America is gone forever. There will be no turning back the clock to the 1950s and the age of bobbi sox and Davy Crockett caps.
Instead of a whole huge continent and 300 million mostly hostile people to worry about, the Northwest Imperative reduces the problem geographically and demographically to three and a half states with about 12 million people, mostly White. Given the inevitable coming implosion of the United States and the collapse of the central authority in Washington D.C., when they run out of money to pay their mercenaries, bureaucrats, and enforcers, the Northwest Imperative is do-able in a way that no other plan we’ve ever come up with is do-able.
We are reducing the racial struggle to a definable and attainable political objective. We are framing the racial struggle in the template of a colonial war wherein the objective is to get an occupying power to surrender control of a specific piece of real estate, and we have a number of successful previous examples of this over the last 100 years from which we can make observations and draw conclusions.
5. To support your efforts, you have published 4 novels and a magazine. First, could you tell us why fiction is important in politics?
Actually, I have written and published a total of 16 books, of which four were the Northwest independence novels. The rest are regular fiction, except for two books of racial polemics and collected essays.
The Northwest novels are based on an admittedly problematic premise: that somehow, we actually manage to get our act together and create a White ethnostate here in North America. How would such a victory take place? What would Aryan victory really look like, given what we have to work with? What would life be like in such a society? The Northwest novels offer such a vision. My vision may not be yours, but at least we now have a peek at the script, so to speak.
I believe that these novels can fulfill their primary purpose, that of giving the pioneers of the Northwest independence movement that sense of possibility I spoke of. Not just of victory, but the possibility of a better world to come, if we are willing to pay the price for it here and now. I let our people get a glimpse of the prize itself, let them know that it exists, or can exist if we can find within ourselves to change our thinking and recover our ancient courage.
These are designer novels. If these books do not answer their political and social purpose, if they do not give is all a shared vision that can be used as a basis for future action, then they can be as entertaining and as gripping and as literary as can be, and they can even sell well and make me money, but they will still be failures from my point of view.
6. You have said that The Brigade as the most important novel that you have written. We have already made a critique of this novel in our pages. Why is this one the most important?
Mmmm, not necessarily the most important. It is the longest and most detailed of the Northwest Quartet (soon to be Quintet) but you have to take all of the novels together to assimilate the whole package idea, so to speak.
The Hill of the Ravens deals with the future of the Republic, in the form of a mystery story about the revolutionary past. A Distant Thunder is the first-person story of a young trailer trash kid who is never more than an ordinary foot soldier in the struggle, although he does get to be an officer for a bit in Freedom’s Sons. A Mighty Fortress is the story of a young couple, White teenagers who meet in the underground and fortuitously end up observing a lot of history, concluding with the Longview peace conference.
The Brigade is a more panoramic view of the whole War of Independence from beginning to end. It starts about a month after the initial revolt in Coeur d’Alene, and it ends the night that the Nationalist artillery opens up for the final assault on Portland. Freedom’s Sons then takes up the story the next day with the Battle of Portland itself.
7. In what way is the Northwest series different from already existing WN novels?
Most White Nationalist novels—and there are some very good ones, it's a growing genre—follow a certain plot line, with many variations, of course. A lone White man raised under political correctness and surrounded by liberal and multi-cultural madness experiences some kind of racial epiphany, an awakening, and he then either joins or begins some form of active resistance. He either fails and perishes gloriously, or he succeeds through some kind of deus ex machina. You might say Pierce’s Turner Diaries incorporates both those denouements.
A kind of template has developed of the isolated, usually young White man suddenly breaking free of the chains of the mind imposed by the Jews and striking out to resist. This is understandable, because it reflects the very kind of life that White people do in fact lead in today’s politically correct Amurrica, especially young White males, and to some degree their varied experiences subsequent to their own racial awakening and the subsequent rough ride they must endure.
The Northwest novels, on the other hand, do not have one single hero who suddenly resolves to resist. In them, the resistance has already begun, and the novels are about the how and still more about the why, and the strength of character necessary to be a successful White revolutionary. There are a few central protagonists who act as living narrators, kind of like a Greek chorus, if you will—Don Redmond in Hill of the Ravens, Shane Ryan in A Distant Thunder, Cody Brock in A Mighty Fortress, and in The Brigade Zack Hatfield—but always with a large cast of supporting characters who are equally interesting, equally involved, and equally proactive, and who have their own moments on stage.
The Northwest novels are not about the characters, they are about character, if you get the difference. Beyond that they are not about the plot, they are about the Idea. They attempt to describe a world historical process that we can initiate and conclude to our racial advantage if we choose to do so.
8. After 4 novels, do you plan in writing others?
I am presently working on the fifth Northwest novel, Freedom’s Sons, which describes the first 50 years of the Northwest Republic’s existence and will deal with a lot of the problems the new nation will face, plus all the usual nay-says of “Oh, we could never do that, the Jews would just nuke our asses,” etc.
9. You have used the print-per-order or something of the sort. Can you explain what that is and why it is a weapon for us WN?
Ironically, for all my fulminations against the internet, it is the Net which has made it possible for unorthodox, unapproved, and politically incorrect writers to break the iron grip of five or six Jewish-owned multi-national corporations on the book and literary world.
It is called print-per-order self-publishing. This is not vanity publishing in the old sense. You do pay a fee for computerized typesetting and marketing services, depending on the marketing plan you choose. And that’s it. Nor are you simply paying for book printing and production. The company does basic marketing for you, listing your books on Amazon.com, with Ingram, Barnes and Noble etc. When someone orders one of your books on the internet or over the counter at Borders or Waldenbooks, a copy is printed and shipped, either direct to the customer or to the store where the customer can pick it up.
I now have sixteen books published; without print-per-order none of them would have ever seen the light of day in my lifetime. I know because I tried for years to get my fiction published by the establishment, even to the point of including minor bits of politically correct crap in an effort to sneak up on the Jews. (You will see some of this in Fire and Rain and Bonnie Blue Murder, for which thus far my readers seem to have forgiven me.) None of it worked. The kosher blackball was rock solid, and those Seven Sisters sluts in the agencies and editorial departments weren’t fooled for a minute by my PC camouflage. They knew I was trying to slip bad thoughts past them, naughty me.
10. What piece of advice would you give to activists living outside the NW?
Come Home. It can be done, but you have to do it.
11. The final word?